Talk:Lost/Orientation

The "Orientation" film was behind The Turn of the Screw. Has anyone read this who can find out what the link is between that and Lost? --Semifamous

Also, perhaps someone can make note of the similarities in the Dharma logo and this one. --Semifamous 11:57, 10 Oct 2005 (EDT)

About the Dharma Logo, the lines surrounding it have a special meaning as is explained here. There exist older and newer interpretations of it as well as a hex sheet that may or may not reveal secret meanings, here. Furthermore, there are some websites about DNA codes that may make use of such double trigrams (hexagrams) that may be worth looking at. --Jammet 07:01, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

As per Locke's father being his real father --- Locke says in the meeting that he met his real father. I doubt that Locke, after having his kidney stolen, wouldn't have made absolutely sure that this wasn't just some random stranger. Pottedmeat 09:53, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Locke took it on faith that Cooper was his real father. As Cooper says in this episode "You needed a father figure, and I needed a kidney." He also asked, "You think you're the first person that ever got conned?" If Cooper were really Locke's father he is more likely to have said that Locke was "used", not that he was "conned". (Although it's not entirely clear what order the flashbacks occurred in, the implication is that this occured after the Anger Group meeting). The PI also only confirmed that Locke's mother was a genetic match; we have seen nothing to say that Cooper was, beyond that Locke was a suitable kidney donor. It is likely that Cooper, who had been waiting for a kidney for long time and was unlikely to get one, and is also considerably wealthy, had private investigations carried out to find a potential donor. Somehow John Locke was identified as a match. It is possible that the original plan would have been to offer to pay someone to donate, but upon discovering Locke's background he realised he could pretend to be his father and get him to donate willingly. He then tracked down his mother, and told her that if they could together persuade him to donate, he would pay her. Considering her background and circumstances she then gladly accepted this offer.

If Cooper isn't Locke's father it also makes it more likely that, immediately post-operation, he would want to disappear. If he were his real father, even if he didn't want to keep in touch he would have been able to break it off in other ways. However, if this was purely a con, his behaviour, although still cold, makes more sense.

It may well turn out that Cooper really is his father, but at this point it's still an open question. (And IMO is open to at least as much debate as whether "Mr. Rutherford" is Shannon's father.)

--Salvadors 15:24, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

How does saying con instead of use have anything to do with whether or not they're family? Con indicates that they're purposely misleading, whereas use indicates that they're taking advantage. Locke was obviously directly mislead. And whatever happened to Occam's Razor? I think you're assumption that this is a question is dead wrong. We have no reason to believe that this man isn't Locke's father, other than your irrelevant word scrutiny.

-- Pottedmeat 17:36, 12 Oct 2005 (EDT)

You're really trying to apply Occam's Razor to this show?! Wow.

No, I'm trying to apply Occam's Razor to your delusional argument.

--Pottedmeat 16:23, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)

--Salvadors 07:46, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Are we sure that the guy who "recruited" Desmond or whatever was named Calvin and not Kelvin?

The reason I ask is this guy's IMDB profile (Spoiler and stuff, so don't click if you don't like spoilers)

Don't click here. --Semifamous 17:33, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)